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 Post subject: Re: 200bee stings sr20
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:35 pm 
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switched the two sides of the radiator around to get the fan more centered and give me more room to run pipes . Have had dump pipe shaped to for more flow and to keep it away from the idler arm as it was extremely close still need to tidy up so wiring and shorten some hoses and i also need to shorten the tail shaft at both ends. Big thanks to MadDat for making this a lot easier
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also had this 3in system put in my drift havoc fabrications sounds amazing


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 Post subject: Re: 200bee stings sr20
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:55 pm 
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video of the sound :D http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 2776638808


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 Post subject: Re: 200bee stings sr20
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i like it..

i like it alot

now i know where my S14a blcktop sr is going!

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 Post subject: Re: 200bee stings sr20
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So here goes :? Thought i should share this. I have started toying with the idea of s13 knuckles in the front of the B. As a plus i could run coilovers brakes extra lock knuckles 8) cumber plates all a at a good price.

I got a pair of s13 sr20det A.B.S knuckles. I tried to fit them to the standard B ball joint. The ball joint fits nicely but does not have enough play backward and forwards to allow for the control arm moving up and down>

In s13 s14 r32 r33 R31 the lower control arm sits the ball joint on an slight angle to allow for this type of knuckles. The 200b LCAs have the ball joint almost flat. So i decided that i would need to either modify the original LCA to have this style ball joint or use different LCAs

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The problem with using a different LCA is that i would have to change radias rods sway bar mounting points and the inner mounting point where it would bolt to the X member

These are r33 and 200b LCA with radias rods note big difference in length would have to extend lcas and rods
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 Post subject: Re: DAT200 s13 front end
PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:58 am 
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So after alot of measuring and testing if parts fit i decided to put the end of the r33 lca onto the 200b one and have it extender 20mm, this way i could use original sway bar mount and radias rods and wouldn't have to change where it bolts to the X member


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 Post subject: Re: DAT200 s13 front end
PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:36 am 
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Good idea with lca mod but id be worried about the stress and liads on the welds at the ends of the lcas.


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 Post subject: Re: DAT200 s13 front end
PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:03 pm 
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The problem you will have with s13 knuckles is the steering arm is too high, relative to the steering box. This results in about 15mm of bumps steer. Probable the worst thing you can have in suspension.
The options you have to fix are

Bend the steering arm down to the right height (this has to be done right and crack tested afterwards)

Lower the inner control arm pivot (not recommended as this lowers roll center)

Raise steering box or install raised rack and pinion system.

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 Post subject: Re: DAT200 s13 front end
PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:11 pm 
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Good idea with lca mod but id be worried about the stress and liads on the welds at the ends of the lcas.
Do you want the car to be legal?
The difficulty is the component you want to modify is it is considered a suspension component. Suspension components generally are not allowed to be modified at all. This includes welding/bending/cutting/ etc.

The reason for this is the impact/shock loading on the component will require analysis and the OEM have already completed this and strengthened this area up if it was prone to failure. By you cutting and welding in a new section, you are changing the specification and strength and in turn affecting the performance under load. This will make it prone to failure.

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 Post subject: Re: DAT200 s13 front end
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unfamilia wrote:
Good idea with lca mod but id be worried about the stress and liads on the welds at the ends of the lcas.
Cheers mate any input is appreciated I have had this in mind. The lad i got to weld them up for me has done loads of lcas for Vic drift club and not had a problem as yet. I will be keeping a very close eye on them non the less.
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The problem you will have with s13 knuckles is the steering arm is too high, relative to the steering box. This results in about 15mm of bumps steer. Probable the worst thing you can have in suspension.
The options you have to fix are

Bend the steering arm down to the right height (this has to be done right and crack tested afterwards)

Lower the inner control arm pivot (not recommended as this lowers roll center)

Raise steering box or install raised rack and pinion system.
Thanks lampy i had not even taken this into consideration and the last thing i want is exesive bump steer . I had a bit of a look with the knuckle and coilover in and the steering arm looked to be on a slight angle up but not much. How much of an angle is to much ? I would love to go rack and pinion at some point down the track but just not yet. bending the steering arm down and crack tested might be my best option.
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unfamilia wrote:
Good idea with lca mod but id be worried about the stress and liads on the welds at the ends of the lcas.
Do you want the car to be legal?
The difficulty is the component you want to modify is it is considered a suspension component. Suspension components generally are not allowed to be modified at all. This includes welding/bending/cutting/ etc.

The reason for this is the impact/shock loading on the component will require analysis and the OEM have already completed this and strengthened this area up if it was prone to failure. By you cutting and welding in a new section, you are changing the specification and strength and in turn affecting the performance under load. This will make it prone to failure.
What is legal these days :lol: Don't get me wrong I want it to be safe. I have looked into other LCAs and still looking just had no luck.


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 Post subject: Re: DAT200 s13 front end
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:35 am 
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Rose jointed outer tie rod ends? As not legal as cut and shut LCA's are though...

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 Post subject: Re: DAT200 s13 front end
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:21 pm 
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How desperate are you to put the S13 front brakes in? I did toy with the idea of it on mine but the brakes aren't that good and the only benefit was cheap coilovers. In the end I decided to stick with the 240K struts I had.

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 Post subject: Re: DAT200 s13 front end
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:55 pm 
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I really appreciate everybody's input :D 2ndTimeStanza:I am thinking GKtech s13 rose jointed tie rods as might help with bump steer

http://www.gktech.com/index.php/high-mi ... ember.html


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 Post subject: Re: DAT200 s13 front end
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:58 pm 
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And maybe do something similar to this i don't like how the nut is welded but.(Not my picture found it in the for-sale thread was for sale as a s13 kit )

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 Post subject: Re: DAT200 s13 front end
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:10 pm 
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green200b wrote:
How desperate are you to put the S13 front brakes in? I did toy with the idea of it on mine but the brakes aren't that good and the only benefit was cheap coilovers. In the end I decided to stick with the 240K struts I had.
I'm pretty keen :mrgreen: As i have got some nice coilovers and brakes for around $650 with the s13 knuckle there are a lot of different brake options as well .

Racing Logic coilovers have cleaned and replaced some bolts on one just need to do the other.

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 Post subject: Re: DAT200 s13 front end
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:32 pm 
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Also have this photo showing the difference between the 200b and s13 where they would mount to tie rod end and balljoint not that big of a difference i didn't think ? Does ride height affect the angle of the steering arms in relation to the steering box ?

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